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 Post subject: Re: Joining the Praetorians- Shikkakku's Praetorian WIP
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:41 pm 
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Mobility is fine. A lot more movement than a tk.

I just think that snaps are more sturdy than paracord knotted. Jimmi put holes in the arm sections to allow for snaps to be fitted. Same on the screen used.

Kind of seems a shame not to use them.


Huh, I didn't know that! Awesome, thank you for the info. Any pictures and guidance on strapping that you're willing to provide would be most welcome. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Joining the Praetorians- Shikkakku's Praetorian WIP
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:36 am 
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Entry #2.1

Minor update today! The 3D printing has started on the electro-bisento. As stated in Entry #1, .stl files were purchased from Empire3D (https://www.etsy.com/au/shop/Empire3Dau).

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Printer is an Ultimaker 2+, with 15%-20% infill. 0.2mm Layer. Since I'm using a university makerspace (which means I have to share space and print time), I have to do everything in piecemeal. I estimate printing to be complete sometime next week (barring any alterations to the .stl files for print space reasons), and then we move on to finishing and assembly. A fellow garrison-member has kindly volunteered to help me with that. :D

Still waiting on the hard parts from Jimmi! Once those come in the real fun begins :)

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   Base Layer: Shirt under construction, Pants received and fit.
   Gloves and Boots: Received and Fit
   Version 1 Armour: Shipping!
   Skirt: Shipping!
   Weapon (Electro-Bisento): 3D Printing and assembly in progress.


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 Post subject: Re: Joining the Praetorians- Shikkakku's Praetorian WIP
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:17 am 
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Entry #2.2

Another minor update, since nothing significant has happened as I've been quite busy with work and troops.

Electro-Bisento
As of this entry, 10 of 13 components have been successfully 3D printed, one is in-progress, one is being edited to fit into the print space, and another is being re-printed due to an error in production.

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To provide stability, there is a 21mm/4/5" diameter space for a pipe or a dowel to be put in the middle of the polearm. However, locally available dowels only come in 1/2" or 1" diameters, so I had to take the 1" diameter and sand it down for a good fit.

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and it all comes together like so:

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The blade itself comes in 3 pieces, with connector pieces to act as joinery biscuits of sorts to keep the individual pieces aligned and together. Even when split, the top part of the blade is too big for the available print area so we have to slice the original .stl file and create a slot for a 3d-printed connector.

Even so, when partially assembled I start getting a sense of the scale of this weapon. Its going to be large. (12" ruler for scale)

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Hopefully by the end of the week everything will be 3D printed and I can move on to finishing the 3D prints and assembly of Bisento Version 1. Planned improvements for future iterations include 3D-printing the blade in one piece and casting in resin/rubber for durability, creating the "texture wrap" effect in the handles, and attaching an electro-filament effect as per the movie.

Armour/Carapace and Skirt

Some good news treated me this morning! The esteemed Jimmiroquai let me know that our kits and skirts are on the way from the Philippines. One of the things that make me really excited for this build is that my armour kit will be from my homeland.... it just makes me really happy to know that I'll be wearing armour made by Filipinos, in the Philippines. It might be a bit silly, I'll admit, but I think I can be allowed a little bit of Pinoy Pride. Armour ETA Friday, if fate smiles. :)

[Edit: next Tuesday now! Hope it doesn't take too much longer than that... the anticipation is killing me. ^^;]

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 Post subject: Re: Joining the Praetorians- Shikkakku's Praetorian WIP
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:11 am 
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Entry #3

So much has happened this week, both costume-wise and work-wise, that I haven't really had the chance to update this WIP until now! In fact, so much has happened on the costuming front that I have to split this particular entry into two parts!

Electro-Bisento

All parts to the bisento have been printed and the dowel has been fitted into the handle and spacers. A problem was encountered wherein the amount of dowel support that the hilt gets is not enough, considering the blade + hilt is around 2/3 the length of the handle with only an inch or so of internal dowel to grip onto.

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This was solved by using a drill press to core out part of the internal dowel so I could glue in a second dowel, and modify the hilt .stl file with another hole going up the centre of the part that the 2nd dowel will go into, essentially increasing the available support. It looks a bit like this:

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After reprinting the hilt and some work with the sander and drill press, I glued everything together with e6000 and let dry for 72hrs.

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It looked really good, until I tried to take it out for a little spin (literally!)

https://youtu.be/ZfvLYd0MPsc

Unfortunately, the adhesive failed and this caused the hilt and blade to start sliding up due to centrifugal motion. Eventually it slid up far enough that the only thing connecting it to the handle was the thin dowel, which failed during the final cut in the video. Note that the 3D print itself didn't fail- it was my support structure that did!

I fixed this problem by drilling out the broken dowel and replacing it with 3/8ths threaded steel rod that I cut to size.

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Unfortunately, all this manipulation has caused my hilt to crack, so I superglued the crack and clamped it down after using 2-part epoxy to put everything together.
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I'm leaving it in my workshop for a few days to be sure and if nothing explodes/disintegrates, I'm calling assembly done, and can move it along to surface finishing with XTC and priming/painting.

Undershirt
I finally got off my butt and finished the undershirt with pieces of treated spandex from Stenbrecher Designs. It fits, and more importantly with the breastplate on the armpit gap is right over the areas of textured fabric. (Excuse the confused look I have. I was very tired.)

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That's it for soft parts! Bring on the armour!

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TR-Praetorian Guard Build Status
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   Base Layer: Shirt under construction, Pants received and fit.
   Gloves and Boots: Received and Fit
   Version 1 Armour: Shipping!
   Skirt: Shipping!
   Weapon (Electro-Bisento): 3D Printing and assembly in progress.


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 Post subject: Re: Joining the Praetorians- Shikkakku's Praetorian WIP
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:34 am 
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Entry #4

The armour arrived from Jimmi on Monday, November 12. The box was quite heavy since two kits are shipped in the box.
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Unpacking took a decent amount of time (I livestreamed it on Facebook for the heck of it, even!) but after all was set and done everything was there and mostly intact. There was some shipping damage (which I'll detail later) but nothing too bad.

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Also note that if you order two kits together, the ab girdles will probably be shipped inside one another- it'll take some struggling and some scary pushing around of the girdles, but they do eventually come loose!

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Also note that the armour is made of fiberglass, and in its raw state will be giving off fiberglass threads. If you or anyone around you has a fiberglass sensitivity, please take proper precautions and use appropriate PPE (Personal protective equipment) like gloves and a mask if you're doing any sanding. Also suggest getting the internal surfaces sealed ASAP if there are any fiberglass sensitivity issues.

Bucket

As stated previously, I chose Variant 1 (Mando-style) as my bucket. The bucket itself is huge on the inside and will necessitate a harness system for my head. The detail is amazing and CRL compliant. Vision is also great- imagine looking through a woven basket of sorts. Will probably have to plastidip the inside black and install a mesh to make sure my face is hidden.

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Sadly some shipping damage meant some of the front mesh got snapped off. Though some CA glue with a backing of painter's tape fixed that problem right quick.
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Breastplate and Backplate

The breastplate and backplate comes in 4 pieces in total- the upper chest plate, the lower chest plate, the upper back plate and lower back plate.
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Standard method is to slot them together like so, and use snap plates and webbing to keep them together and allow for some mobility.

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Also one will note that there is a lot of excess material around where the parts curve around the chest and shoulders- this is so it can be trimmed to fit. An untrimmed backplate will be prone to having massive armholes (especially near the back) that don't look great in my opinion and isn't screen-accurate.

On that note, when trimming this kit Jimmi recommends using standard aircraft shears:
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They cut right through and don't crack or delaminate the material, though go slow as to avoid a rough cut. Any rough edges can then be sanded smooth.

Ab Girdle

There's really no other way to describe this other than a girdle. Probably the most restrictive piece in this kit, if you're considering building one be prepared to fit in one of these or be comfortable with shimming it (and the corresponding torso plates above it). Be sure to read Jimmi's guide to sizing before you order! I've also noted that I cannot gain any more weight if I want to keep wearing this costume :lol:

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I'm quite happy to report that it just barely fits me...maybe with a 0.10" worth of clearance, if that. I was kind of worried there for a sec!

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(Yes I know the ab girdle is upside down. The more flared end is supposed to be at the bottom. And that I'm using the wrong lower torso piece....that's supposed to be the back one. Guess I was super excited to try things on that I wasn't paying attention, oops!)

Shoulder and arms

Probably the most distinctive feature of this kit are the arms, and are what make us very lobster-like too! The arms come in 10 sections per arm; 1x top shoulder plate, 1x shoulder bell, and 8x nested arm segments.

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The top shoulder plate attaches to the backplate via these two arms, as shown:
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The shoulder bells then attach to the shoulder straps that keep chestplate and backplate together (much like a TK) and should slot right over the deltoid. The arm segments are then secured in sequence to the shoulder bell, either via snaps and webbing, or paracorded knots.

Which arm segment goes in what order is determined both by the size (Biggest one near the shoulder and it gets smaller as we go down the arm), and by CRL. I recommend getting a copy of the CRL and noting the features of each arm section and labelling them Left or Right, from 1-8. What's on one side is usually mirrored on the other (except Segment #3 from top) but keep track of which details are in front and which are in the back. Again the CRL is your friend here.

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I encountered my 2nd instance of shipping damage here- a mounting tab got wrenched off a top shoulder plate. Again an easy fix, some e6000 and weights will take care of that.

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Shin plates and Spats

The shin plates come in two pieces per leg, and they enclose one's lower leg. The spats are those circular things that go over the bottom part of the shin armour and over your ankles and boots.

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Also note these two bars, which are outer-left leg rectangular details as per CRL.

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What we don't get with the kit are the flat masking seams that go over those indents on the side. But any rigid material should do, just cut to size, glue on one end and velcro on the other. Everything slots in like so:

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Now, I have thunder-shins. A lifetime of moving my large mass around means I have large calves. It makes buying boots difficult, and made me worry that the shin armour won't make it all the way around. Sadly, I was correct.

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This is an unacceptable seam, so I have decided to shim the back of the calf plate (no details and will be the most hidden part) using a combination of ABS, fiberglass matting and resin, and bondo. This will be my next task! Not going to lie, the prospect of taking a knife and shears to my not-cheap armour terrifies the heck out of me! :shock: :shock:

Overall I'm super happy with the kit. Its lightweight and fits well. Shipping took around a week from the Philippines to Ontario, Canada. Thank you again Jim for the wonderful kit!

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"Tag and Bink are my ideal Royal Guards"

TR-ROTS Build Status
--Complete and Approved--

TR-Praetorian Guard Build Status
Elite Praetorian Guard- TLJ
   Base Layer: Shirt under construction, Pants received and fit.
   Gloves and Boots: Received and Fit
   Version 1 Armour: Shipping!
   Skirt: Shipping!
   Weapon (Electro-Bisento): 3D Printing and assembly in progress.


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