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 Post subject: Skel's Pike - Instructions
PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:01 pm 
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Here are the plans for my pike. I built it after reviewing numerous pikes on the old forcepike boards. My goal was to make it look very much lke the pike shown in the New Essential Guide to Weapons book. The methods I chose are inspired heavily by Lucious Talvlionne's pike, and the parts he used, with a few modifications of my own discovery. Many thanks to everyone on the old boards who posted pictures of their pikes....I could not have made this without those resources. :tr2:

Force Pike Instructions

Parts:
Walmart:

Shakespeare Durango 10’ Panfish Pole $6.96
NOTE: This pole is becoming hard to find at Walmarts, but Academy Sports now carries the same pole under a different name and color. Still by Shakespeare….same price…but now it’s called the Wonderpole or something like that.

Lowes:

Master Landscaper Backflow Prevention Valve MLF-31 $4.13
(Found with the sprinkler/irrigation hoses & parts near the pvc pipe.)

True Value Hardware:

Brass Craft Lavatory Handles 2745 $8.99

Multiflex Riser ½” X 4” $0.79

1’ X ¾” Copper Reducer $2.79

¾” Black Corrugated Bilge Pump Hose $2.30

3/8” Wooden Dowel $1.49

Seal Off Adapter $2.99

Found:

7/8” Black Plastic endcap (Alliance Plastics A-7/8 Erie, PA)

Black O-ring approx ¾”

Bolt, washer, rubber cone-shaped washer

Tools:
Exacto Knife
Drill
Super Glue and Goop
Fine Sand Paper
Hot Glue-Gun
Screwdriver
Chrome Paint
Gloss Black Paint
Glossy Clearcoat

Total cost for me: $34 (parts) + $8 (supplies) = $42

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 Post subject: Re: Skel's Pike - Instructions
PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:09 pm 
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1. Fishing Pole (Pike Shaft)
I originally picked up a large 15’ Apache pole at Academy Sports like Lucious Talvloinne did, but after I got home and started fooling around with it, I decided I could better achieve the look I wanted with a smaller pole. So I picked up a 10’ Shakespeare Durango Panfish Pole at Walmart. It only has 3 sections…and is narrower in diameter….about ¾”. I used the large bottom section, and cut down the middle section so it only sticks out about 3 inches. NOTE: This pike is becoming ahrd to finda t Walmarts, but Academy Sports now carries the same pole under a different name and color. It is by Shakespeare, costs the same, but is called the Wonderpole or something like that.

The first thing you need to do to the pole is remove the metal brackets that would hold the fishing line. These are glued on, wrapped with a string-like cording, and then sealed with a plastic coating. My first instinct was to grab some vice grips and rip them off, after scoring around the edges. BAD IDEA. This just snapped off a bracket. What you do is get a sharp knife or other pointy blade and slide the blade along the sides of the bracket with the blade pointing outwards (like trying to cut a knot from underneath). What you are trying to do is cut the strings that bind it to the pole. Once they are cut the brackets will practically fall off and leave you with a relatively smooth pole underneath. J You will still need to do some sanding and smoothing, but it will be relatively clean.

2. Multiflex Riser (Pike Discharge Coils)
The multiflex riser will be cut down to size and used as the discharge vanes (where the rasp is on some pikes). It’s just the right size that you can force it down over the seam between the bottom pole section and the tip section. The plastic is soft and can be cut with a sharp kitchen knife. I cut mine down to 5 rings, because I thought that looked best in proportion to the piece I’m using for the pike tip. Anywhere from 3-5 rings would probably work. I also sanded it lightly using a soft fingernail file to remove the seams. You could paint this part before attaching, or after. I ended up using a hot glue gun to fill I the gap at the top once it was attached…which required a repaint anyway.



3. Lubrimatic Seal Off Adapter (Pike Tip)
This is a nozzle piece used with Grease Guns. It’s 3/8” in diameter, has a tapered rubber tip, and at it’s larger base it has a grooved ring. I just sanded down a piece of 3/8” wooden dowel a little bit and screwed the adapter onto the dowel by hand. You could also screw the tip onto a metal rod that’s compatible, or a 3/8” bolt with the head cut off, but I couldn’t find any with the same grooves. Once you have the tip attached to something…you will slide the whole thing into the tip of your fishing pole (that you have cut down to the length you want) and glue it in place last after all other parts are painted and in place. I also wrapped a little duct tape around the dowel to give it a snug fit inside the pole.

Now, I have had some trouble with the rubber tip on this piece…mainly with paint not drying on it completely. I’ve sanded it to rough it up…but by the time I painted and clear-coated…something wouldn’t dry. You might try some bumper paint that might dry. Or you could remove the rubber tip and attach a piece of dowel sanded to the right shape. Or…you could skip the Grease Gun part altogether…use some dowel for the entire tip…and find something else for the ring near the tip...like an O-Ring or a plastic ½” Delrin Sleeve (costs $0.28, found in the small plumbing parts section).


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4. Review.
Okay, so you’ve got your pole smooth and the second section is cut to size. You’ve cut the Multiflex Riser to the size you want and slid it down over the seam between the two pole sections. And…you’ve fashioned a tip out of a dowel, the grease gun part, and or other pieces. Now, it’s time for the pommel.

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 Post subject: Re: Skel's Pike - Instructions
PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:12 pm 
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5. Brass Craft Lavatory Handles & Master Landscaper Backflow Prevention Valve MLF-31 (Pommel)

Okay, I used Brass Craft Lavatory Handles 2745 $8.99, purchased at True Value Hardware. Various other handles will work, but I liked these and they matched up to the (non-canon) illustration in the New Essential Guide to Weapons. They also fit perfectly with the next piece…the Master Landscaper Backflow Prevention Valve MLF-31 $4.13 (Found at Lowes with the sprinkler/irrigation hoses & parts near the pvc pipe.) Your pommel will consist of 5 main parts…4 of which can be seen from the outside…plus a connecting bolt and some washers.

From bottom to top…it will look like this:

1. Shower Handle Cap (the plastic cover that says C or H for temperature)
2. Shower Handle (already has a hole in the center where the bolt will go through
3. Backflow Valve (you will need to drill a hole through the center…takes about 10 seconds)
4. Bottom screw-on cap to the fishing pole (with a hole in the center…either drilled or manufactured)
5. Nut, washers, possibly a rubber cone shaped washer (like used in hoses, etc).
6. 1’ X ¾” Copper Reducer

What you see from the outside is:
1. Cap
2. Handle
3. Backflow Valve
4. Copper Reducer

Okay, the pommel is really simple to put together…but hard to explain. All you really need to do is drill a hole in the center of the Backflow Valve, and then somehow make a hole in the center of the Fishing Pole Cap. The endcap to my pole screwed off of the pole, and was made of two parts. The outer ring that screwed on…and a centerpiece that could just be popped out. I popped it out,..and had my hole. However, I needed some support for my bolt so it wouldn’t wobble…so I stuck a cone-shaped washer (like used in hoses) to fill it in a little. You could also just drill a hole in the center part of the cap, but I thought this would work better for me. So…once you’ve got your holes…you run a long bolt through the Handle, Backflow Valve, and Pole Endcap (and cone washer). Then you add a couple metal washers and a nut, and you’re done. After all the parts have been painted, you might want to glue or epoxy the nut in place to keep it tight. Then you will just screw the fishing pole cap (with the rest of the pommel attached to it) onto the bottom of the pole. The Copper Reducer will slide down over the top of the pole and will slide perfectly over the endcap, hiding it. After it is painted…the Copper Reducer will also be glued in place. The Shower Handle Cap will be snapped in place last.

6. ¾” Black Corrugated Bilge Pump Hose (Grips)

I decided I liked a ¾” Black Corrugated Bilge Pump Hose ($2.30) I found at True Value for my grips. It’s corrugated and looks like the automotive wire covers some people have suggested…only it has no slit or seam running down it. It comes in one foot lengths, with 3/4 “ smooth sections at either end. The hose can be stretched out a little to make the corrugations bigger. You will need two sections.

I cut both of them to about 7 inches in length (and I counted out the numbers of corrugated rings to make sure they were identical lengths). Obviously, you cut off one smooth end and some rings when you do this. I left the smooth piece on the other end of the hoses. For the bottom grip…this smooth piece slides perfectly into the ¾” Copper Reducer…and will be glued in place later. For the top grip…you will slide a shortened straight section into a dividing ring.

For the dividing piece, I found a 7/8” Black Plastic endcap (Alliance Plastics A-7/8 Erie, PA). My neighbor had it I his shop, but one could probably be tracked down easily. It’s about 1” long (or tall). I hollowed out the cap, so all I had left was the 1” sides, and painted it silver. I slid the dividing piece onto the smooth section of the top grip…and then slid this down on the pole. When both grips are glued in place…a small rubber o-ring (say ½”) can be slid down to the top of the upper grip to give it a clean, smooth look, hiding the edge that you cut. I also slid small paper wedge into the top of the upper grip to hold it in place…since the pole is smaller up there and had a little room to wobble.

7. Button
The final piece, attached after painting, but before a clear coat (if you use one), is an activator button. For this, I got a thumbtack…the flat kind. The kind with a colored plastic cap on it. I just popped off a black thumb-tack cap and Gooped it in place. The Goop holds it great. I then clear-coated over it for an additional seal (don’t over-clear-coat it though…or it will look foggy).

And that’s it. The rest is all painting and attaching everything permanently. I sanded all parts lightly. The only pieces not painted are the Black Corrugated Bilge hoses and of course the thumb tack button. I found that using Goop works great for gluing stuff in place, but is a nightmare on paint. I had to repaint various parts numerous times because I got goop on them. I might recommend priming everything first …but waiting to paint the silver pike parts last…after the gluing is done. I actually used super-glue to keep the grips in place…since they fit so snug…if I used goop it would have gotten all over the exterior of the handles…ruining them.

My paint scheme is as follows:

Shower Handle Cap : chrome
Shower Handle: gloss black
Backflow Valve: chrome (I sanded/shaved off the raised lettering on the valve)
Copper Reducer bottom half (1”): gloss black
Copper Reducer top half (3/4”): chrome
Grip Spacer (plastic endcap): chrome
Rest of the Pole, Rings, and tip: chrome

I clear coated everything except for the grips. You may prefer to skip the clear coat for a shinier look, but I liked the glossy effect, and the protection it provides the paint layers.

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 Post subject: Re: Skel's Pike - Instructions
PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:15 pm 
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1. All the parts (ignore some extra packaging in the photo)

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2. Backflow Valve

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3. Grease Gun Tip

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4. Shower Handles

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 Post subject: Re: Skel's Pike - Instructions
PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:18 pm 
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5. Endcap & O-ring

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6. Multiflex Riser (discharge coils) & Copper Reducer (upper pommel)

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7. Pommel Diagram

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8. Grip Construction

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 Post subject: Re: Skel's Pike - Instructions
PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:24 pm 
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9. Tip Construction

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10. Multiflex hot glue fill

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11. Unpainted Pike Detail

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12. Painted Detail

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 Post subject: Re: Skel's Pike - Instructions
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:54 pm 
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Been doing some looking around, and this year the fishing pole does not seem to be carried by Academy, but Walmarts seem to have plenty (but they will be harder to find as summer goes on).


Also, no problem finding the backflow prevention valve or copper reducer at Lowes.

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 Post subject: Re: Skel's Pike - Instructions
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:55 pm 
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Hmm.....I located a website for Alliance plastics, who make the endcaps I used as a spacer. You can request a free sample (one piece) of just about any of their products. Great for anyone making one pike. On the downside, you can also buy in bulk a package of 4000. Price not listed.

On a side note. they have an interesting plastic piece that could possibly be used as a ROTJ rasp, but I think it is about half the size we need it to be. I ordered a sample to see for sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Skel's Pike - Instructions
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:43 am 
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Good news.....you can get ONE endcap like I use as a grip spacer for free by ordering a sample at this website:

http://www.allianceplastics.com/ac

The size you want is: A7/8W/RA (that's 7/8" x 7/8")


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it resembles the cap on the far right.

as an update to my rasp comment, the item can be seen here:

http://www.allianceplastics.com/rsoc

the photo is about life-size....it would require heavy modification, like removing every other "cog" and then cutting wedges out, in order to become a ROTJ type rasp. It's a long shot, but it could work. Two sizes available (16 & 18 guage)....you can get a free sample of each.

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 Post subject: Re: Skel's Pike - Instructions
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I often frequent the local Habitat for Humanity stores as well as every Thrift Store in a 10 mile radius, and I have found a set of Hot Curlers for women's hair. I heard that this is what they actually used. The set comes with 4 large curlers and 4 small curlers. They have a ceramic core and a hard plastic outer 'spikey' thingy. It is called the "Sahaira Mini Kit, and appears to be around circa 1983 or so. It is a professional electric roller kit. I picked it up for 2.00. All I need to do, is rattle-can the large one, and the core slides perfecctly onto the cross-country ski pole that I built my original pike from. Happy Hunting! :tr:


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